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pumpkin pie · Oct 30, 2007, 10:30 AM // 10:30

if you go 3. 2. 1. Join

and you got in, and you see all the other players who are not your friend who you want to sync with, but YOU STAY , then there is no problem

if you leave when you don't find your friend. please think of how the other 4 players will feel?

SotiCoto · Oct 30, 2007, 12:28 PM // 12:28

For once.... I agree with Malice.

Syncing is Cheating.
It is sick.
Reminds me of a pair of Luxon Assassins that showed up in Fort Aspenwood once with perma Shadow Form (the simple way involving Arcane Mimicry)... and they rampaged through the game chanting some sort of stupid team motto and laughing.
I promptly logged off my Mesmer and brought in my Necro with Chilblains (pre-nerf) to counter them. I encountered them individually, but because they were trying to sync, they logged out every time one of them arrived without the other.... and I never got to teach them a lesson (not least because unlike them, I wasn't going to just up and leave... so I played normally).
Furthermore, the Luxon side had to make do with reduced teams as a result.... which isn't sporting.

And since A-Net nerfed the best enchant-remover in the game.... I haven't even tried since.

Voltar · Oct 30, 2007, 12:53 PM // 12:53

I synced with a friend of mine when we I was showing him FA for the first time and for a couple hours after that since it was fun to play in the same game with him.

That's pretty RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing malicious and dishonest isn't it?

YunSooJin · Oct 30, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by Voltar

I synced with a friend of mine when we I was showing him FA for the first time and for a couple hours after that since it was fun to play in the same game with him.

That's pretty RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing malicious and dishonest isn't it?

you should be banned from the game you malicious cheating evil minded bastard.

Darkobra · Oct 30, 2007, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

you should be banned from the game you malicious cheating evil minded bastard.

Good girl. You're a fast learner. Straight face... straight face... Nope. Lost it.

Solas · Oct 30, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

it creates an unfair advantage=cheating technically imo

somone can try all they like but if they leave when not in right them hry should be puished, extra dishonor or somthing,

its ok to play 20 full games and team with a friend ,maybe 4 times

but if you enter 20 games and leave until you find your friend, they fail

Antheus · Oct 30, 2007, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Reminds me of a pair of Luxon Assassins that showed up in Fort Aspenwood once with perma Shadow Form (the simple way involving Arcane Mimicry)... and they rampaged through the game chanting some sort of stupid team motto and laughing.

I remember them too.

I was on necro. With chillblains.

It was fun for whole family.

Regulus X · Oct 30, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Sync if you want..just proves you're not good enough to deal with the randomness of it.

"I play to win" <~~yeah ok *snore*

No it just proves that he is unwilling to accept FAILURE. Any PvPer knows that RA is similar to rolling dice; Sometimes you roll snake-eyes and sometimes you don't. Players just have to understand that winning matches in RA bares fruit no fruit other than glad points (which has been crippled by anet severely via updates). TA is the only feasible Room currently to do glad point farming if winning glad titles is of any value to a player. And it's virtually a "no-brainer" that you have to to "sync" there, for communication is a "make-or-breaker" many times in TA.

YunSooJin · Oct 30, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Good girl. You're a fast learner. Straight face... straight face... Nope. Lost it.

girl with penis orly?

Sir Green Aluminum · Oct 30, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Syncing in RA cheating because you can pull off team gimmicks that way. Syncing in CB cheating because you can get past teh randomness of grouping and get in with someone who will follow a set plan. If syncing isn't cheating then why do people do it? It's not for fun, it's to win by an advantage over a regular team that came into the game randomly. Usually the syncers I've seen suck really bad, I guess that's why they need it they get poked fun of too for having the same guild tag.

pkodyssey · Oct 30, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

...truthery.

The word of the day. lol

KamikazeChicken · Oct 30, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Don't hate the player.

If anet thought it was true cheating, they'd find a way to prevent it. Anet is apathetic about the situation or it was an intended feature.

Regulus X · Oct 30, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Sir Green Aluminum

Syncing in RA cheating because you can pull off team gimmicks that way. Syncing in CB cheating because you can get past teh randomness of grouping and get in with someone who will follow a set plan. If syncing isn't cheating then why do people do it? It's not for fun, it's to win by an advantage over a regular team that came into the game randomly. Usually the syncers I've seen suck really bad, I guess that's why they need it they get poked fun of too for having the same guild tag.

To all that would like some clarification of the term "cheating.

Definitions of cheat:

noun: a deception for profit to yourself
noun: the act of swindling by some fraudulent scheme
noun: someone who leads you to believe something that is not true
noun: weedy annual native to Europe but widely distributed as a weed especially in wheat
noun: weedy annual grass often occurs in grainfields and other cultivated land; seeds sometimes considered poisonous
verb: deprive somebody of something by deceit
Example: "We were cheated by their clever-sounding scheme"
verb: engage in deceitful behavior; practice trickery or fraud
verb: defeat someone in an expectation through trickery or deceit
verb: be sexually unfaithful to one's partner in marriage
Example: "She cheats on her husband"

Definitions of trickery:

noun: the use of tricks to deceive someone (usually to extract money from them)
noun: verbal misrepresentation intended to take advantage of you in some way

Definitions of trick:

noun: a cunning or deceitful action or device
Example: "He played a trick on me"
noun: an attempt to get you to do something foolish or imprudent
Example: "That offer was a dirty trick"
noun: a period of work or duty
noun: an illusory feat; considered magical by naive observers
noun: a ludicrous or grotesque act done for fun and amusement
verb: deceive somebody
Example: "We tricked the teacher into thinking that class would be cancelled next week"
name: A surname (very rare: popularity rank in the U.S.: #53747)

Definitions of cunning:

noun: drafty artfulness (especially in deception)
noun: shrewdness in deception

Using Ventrilo/TS is not cheating. It is not decietful because everyone is aware of Vent/TS and I also seen it included in a GWars packaged up on a shelf. It is also not cunning because, unless it has absolutely no weakness (i.e. hack programs) it isn't 100% airtight or inpenetrable. It obviously isn't ludicrous or grotesque to be using Vent/TS.

Ctb · Oct 30, 2007, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Who cares?

Syncing is cheating? No, it's not. But I'd call it poor sportsmanship. I'd also call it a clear indicator that you desperately need to accomplish something real in your life.

I mean, seriously. If you're so maladjusted that you can't just play a fun little seasonal game like this because you might lose, just push your chair away from the computer and go read a book or build a bird feeder something.

Leslie · Oct 30, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

I sync with my girlfriend in the holiday games so we can play together, and don't consider it cheating there. There is no other option for us to play the holiday games together otherwise. What we do in AB is just team up, tab + add, ask if everyone's ready then enter. If there was team snowball / costume / etc we'd gladly do that there, too.

Sir Green Aluminum · Oct 30, 2007, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

To all that would like some clarification of the term "cheating.

Definitions of cheat:

Using Ventrilo/TS is not cheating. It is not decietful because everyone is aware of Vent/TS and I also seen it included in a GWars packaged up on a shelf. It is also not cunning because, unless it has absolutely no weakness (i.e. hack programs) it isn't 100% airtight or inpenetrable. It obviously isn't ludicrous or grotesque to be using Vent/TS.

I left out the junk definitions of cheat in the quote to save space.

I noticed in all your definitions of cheating you left out the relevant ones and filled it with other stuffs. Here's the relevant definition with a source. (Skipped the first sentance because you already had those definitions)
"Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one's own interest, and often at the expense of others.[1] Cheating implies the breaking of rules." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheat) Or if you want it in definition format:
Cheat - VERB: intr. 1. To act dishonestly; practice fraud. 2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards. http://education.yahoo.com/reference...ry/entry/cheat

The rule that's broken is one in the title, it's called "Random Arenas". Syncing removes the randomness. If you talk to one of the NPC's in the RA place it tells you what the place is, I think it pretty much says a place where it's supposed to be free of team builds. "Test your mettle! Lead your team to victory or drag them to defeat. Two teams of four randomly allied players fight it out gladiator style. " (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Rando...%28outpost%29).

Who says using team speak or vent is cheating? There ich no rules against this in RA, but you'll need some luck to get random people you get in there to join your vent and not be crazy. I'm also assuming that everyone who's for syncing is a syncer, because who would go to RA with the intention of going up against a team gimmick build with their puny single person build. If I wanted to fight a team build (which I don't), I'd go to Team arenas.

Lil Mystique · Oct 30, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Leslie

I sync with my girlfriend in the holiday games so we can play together, and don't consider it cheating there. There is no other option for us to play the holiday games together otherwise. What we do in AB is just team up, tab + add, ask if everyone's ready then enter. If there was team snowball / costume / etc we'd gladly do that there, too.

I'd love it if Anet made team snowball/costume games. And while I agree that coming up against a synced guild team is most certainly a challenge, I don't see it as cheating either. I do, however, have a problem with those who try to sync and leave if they don't get their guildie/friend. If that happens to us, we finish the match and try again.

Lorden · Oct 31, 2007, 05:05 AM // 05:05

i wont Sync when its something liek Ra or something. i hate syncers who do it with like 3 A/me doing Shadow Form just out to ruin others playing. theres Ta for the garbage.

i will on the other hand sync in Int for holiday events with freinds jsut for fun and so on, not out to destroy others playing times.

not to mention that the idea of Max Title for Gamer Title is Improbable!!! the time it would take to get max title takes forever. i think the gamer title pt system should be recalculated.

Willows Guardian · Oct 31, 2007, 05:06 AM // 05:06

Aye, same here. My boyfriend and I play Guild Wars as a couple, so we PvE and PvP together whenever we're playing. We refuse to sync enter RA ever, as we realize that would be just not fair to other players.

However, when the holidays roll around, and fun games are introduced to the game, we do sync sometimes. I personally have no problem with synchronized teams if they're doing it in a special event, and if they're doing it for fun rather than to destroy the fun of others. When they rage/leave because they don't get a certain teammate, that's just weak. They should grow up.

On another note, how would ANET be able to get a hold on syncing? It doesn't happen often, but I sometimes happen to get on the same team as a guildie (once even two guildies in RA!), and I don't think anyone believed me that it was an accident/unplanned. If people can /report this, then what can I do to defend myself? And how can ANET determine there's any actual malicious intent in it? Does anyone have any suggestions rather than just complaints about syncers?

So... summing it up, my views are:
Sync entering RA = weak
Sync entering special event = acceptable if done in moderation and considering game experience of others
People who complain about Syncers = less complaints, more ideas/suggestions about what can be done about it, since you think it's such a huge problem

Cheers!

strcpy · Oct 31, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Willows Guardian

On another note, how would ANET be able to get a hold on syncing? It doesn't happen often, but I sometimes happen to get on the same team as a guildie (once even two guildies in RA!), and I don't think anyone believed me that it was an accident/unplanned. If people can /report this, then what can I do to defend myself? And how can ANET determine there's any actual malicious intent in it? Does anyone have any suggestions rather than just complaints about syncers?

Of course, as has been mentioned there are fairly straight forward ways to create a priority queue that would stop it. Why that wasn't done in the first place I do not know, it should be done now anyway. However, if the community wasn't abusive this would never have been an issue and i may very well currently stand that it is easier to enforce through bans and other penalities than to re-write that section of code. At the least of RA is part of GW2 it needs to be looked at.

Secondly when we are talking people who sync enter it isn't something that just happens from time to time - of course with any random system it is quite possible to get on a team with others you know. It shouldn't be hard to notice that it happens from time to time vs it happens all the time (and if it is just an infrequent thing then who cares anyway?).

Anet has the logs, bans/other penalties are not automatic, and we are humans who have something called "judgment" - I suggest we, and they, use it. The vast vast majority of time people who are "innocently" banned they aren't as innocent as they make out. It should be hard to mistake normal RA usage with people who trying to sync enter a match.